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July 24, 2012

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Ross Turner

To disagree is not the same as to hate. To hold another view is not the equivalent of assigning no value to the one with another view. To say that something is wrong does not indicate fear of the action or those exhibiting the behavior. To speak the truth in love is always better than staying silent to appease or speaking the truth with malice. We as christians must not compromise what God's Word teaches. We also must not become hypocrites by constantly attacking behavior and never offering the path to forgiveness and healing. We all have sin. All sin is equally wrong. My sin, Hitler's sin, the Colorado shooter's sin, my kids sin...all equally deplorable in God's eyes. To whom much is given much is expected. As we have been forgiven, so we should forgive. As we have been shown grace and mercy, so should we share these. But most importantly, we must share the truth of the gospel, because that's what will set people free. Behavior only changes when a heart is changed. To do nothing other than attacking a behavior is nothing short of pharisaical hypocrisy. Speak truth. Don't compromise. Love. The church is here to live out the great commission. We can't do that if we've burnt all our bridges attacking behavior. Start with the heart, and God will deal with the behavior. BTW - a boycott by some of Chik-Fil-A only leaves more for me. Keep the fryer warm boys!
:)In Christ, Ross

Ken Duggan

Thanks Kathy,
While we don't agree entirely, your opinion is respected and I will post comments to "Out of the Box" as long as they are thoughtful and respectful like yours.
Pastor Ken

Kathy

Monica,
I agree. The suicide rate among gay people is very high. I've met so many gay people who said they wish they could find the opposite sex attractive. Their life would be so much easier. I can't imagine walking around this world feeling like my only two choices are be with the opposite sex and basically live a lie or live my life alone. And knowing all along the people who are judging me most were NOT virgins on their wedding night, have had multiple marriages, had kids out of wedlock, go to strip clubs. It's not like we straight people are the pillar of all that is holy.

Pastor, I do agree with a lot of your points. I'm not sold on gay marriage. I don't hate the idea but I'm not sold on it. However I am sold on tolerance and love. I'm sold on letting Jesus be the judge of what is right or wrong. I'm sold on focusing on myself and my family and making sure we get into Heaven.

I've felt judged and persecuted for being a Christian many times. It's only recently that someone explained to me in a very kind way what people don't like about Christians. It's not their opinons. It's the fact that they want to push their opinions on others and make them as law. Liberals want us to accept gay people and treat them as equals as the Constitution gives all Americans the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The Equal Rights amendment tells us that we are all equal and that the majority should not silence the minority. In the US the Christian right is a majority. We have been laying the laws for a long time. It's time we showed some tolerance to others.
As my friend put it, here is what some Christians do: I like apples, I hate oranges. I'm going to pass a law that says oranges are banned from the US. I dont' want to see an orange. They are disgusting. This is just my opinion and if you don't like it too bad.

Is that just your opinion or are you actively trying to stop people from having thier own opinion? See the difference? What we should be saying is I like apples, you like oranges, let's Praise the Lord and live our life and let others live theirs.

I don't think the Christian voice is being silenced. I just think we've had the only voice for so long that it kind of scares us when we are hearing new voices that are different than our own. While Hollywood may be full of liberals, I don't encounter that in everyday life. In Hollywood the Christians may feel silenced but I don't think that translates into real life, so that isn't a very good analogy.

I think we need to be mindful of our opinions and how they can hurt people. If I walked up to a person and told them their dress was ugly and then said, "Well it's just my opinion" I would be considered rude and even cruel. Our opinions when expressed can hurt a lot of people. They are more than just opinions, they become judgement. Let's leave the judgement and hatred to the Lord and live our lives. If gay marriage does become legal, well, I guess it shouldn't be any more detrimental to marriage than people who get married and then divorced which right now is over 50%. I've never felt divorced people are a threat to the sanctity of marriage.

Another thing, marriage and marriage ceremonies pre-date the Bible. The pagans had marriage ceremonies. Long before Christianity existed there was marriage. The earliest books of the Bible were written in 1500 BC and the Bible was completed in 300AD. Marriage pre-dates all of that. So we as Christians don't own marriage. We own the churches and we can stop that. But marriage itself is not ours to decide.

Just my thoughts. Have a blessed day, have a blessed life, and show tolerance so that others can too.

Monica

Sigh. I'm conservative, I don't care who gets married and how - I'm a follower of Jesus Christ, it is not my duty to judge a behavior that has nothing to do with anyone else but the people who are involved in it. I'm supposed to cloth those who have nothing to wear, feed those who have nothing to eat, and provide shelter for those who have none, I'm supposed to love my neighbor with selfless love. Constantly mentioning how homosexuality is wrong only destroys the souls of my fellow brothers and sisters - whatever sexual orientation they might have. It's not homosexuality that is destroying traditional family, it is promiscuity. If i'm gonna be speak out against anything, that will be it. No chick-fill-a for me, simply because if there was one confused 15-year-old out there, who once again felt like he is worthless and not accepted because of this statement, that's reason enough for me to skip out on the nuggets. McDonalds has good ones too...

Ken Duggan

Thanks Mrsgator7 for the complete quote from Dan Cathy.

Julia

The religious right is silent?
hahahahahaha.

Seriously though, having an opinion is one thing. Actively pursuing laws that will squash another person's basic civil rights based on your opinion is another.
Chick-Fil-A can have all the opinons they want. It's the fact that they give money to organizations that fight to stop gay people from the basic civil right of being able to marry.
THAT's the problem. But by all means continue to be martyrs.

Jill Riley

AMEN!!! I completely agree. I could go on and on at how double standard this whole situation is but the bible clearly says "in this world we will have trouble, but take heart He has overcome the world." I'm glad Chick fil A is bold enough to take a stand. I'll have a spicy chicken deluxe, no cheese on a wheat bun please.

Mrsgator7

What Dan Cathy actually said The company invests in Christian growth and ministry through its WinShape Foundation (WinShape.com). The name comes from the idea of shaping people to be winners. It began as a college scholarship and expanded to a foster care program, an international ministry, and a conference and retreat center modeled after the Billy Graham Training Center at the Cove.

“That morphed into a marriage program in conjunction with national marriage ministries,” Cathy added.

Some have opposed the company’s support of the traditional family. “Well, guilty as charged,” said Cathy when asked about the company’s position. “We are very much supportive of the family — the biblical definition of the family unit. …

“We are very much committed to that,” Cathy emphasized. “We intend to stay the course,” he said. “We know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles.”

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